Jacob chats with Dana Goltz, a professional makeup artist and aesthetician from Appleton, Wisconsin. Dana shares her personal journey into becoming a skin professional, the power of helping others find their own beauty, and what it was like doing makeup for someone else for the first time.
Jacob chats with Dana Goltz, a professional makeup artist and aesthetician from Appleton, Wisconsin. Dana shares her personal journey into becoming a skin professional, the power of helping others find their own beauty, and what it was like doing makeup for someone else for the first time.
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Dana Goltz
Think it's always come natural and like what keeps like screaming in my head is helping people to stand in their own power.
Jacob Miller
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I'm glad you're here. So thanks for joining us. I'm so excited to share with you this very first episode. In this episode I chat with Dana Goltz, a makeup artist in skin professional from Wisconsin. Dina is a good friend of mine. We've done a couple photo shoots together, and other creative projects. We talked about her personal journey, the power of helping others discover their own beauty and what it was like doing makeup for someone else for the first time. So let's get to it.
Welcome, Dana. It's it's great to have you here. I know. It's something that we've been wanting to do for a while don't want to do a podcast do an interview. I think it's been like almost like I mean eight months probably since I've been talking to you about doing this. And so now I'm excited we finally get to do it. Unfortunately, we're doing it remotely instead of in person but still still okay. But I'm super excited to have you kind of share your story, what you do, and kind of your experience of getting started in your current career.
So yeah, did you want to kind of share what you do who you are? and stuff like that?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, well, I'm Dana. I am a makeup artist and owner of Dana Michelle makeup, where I specialize in airbrush and traditional makeup for any and all occasions, a lot of weddings, photography, as much commercial and production work as I can do. I've also added on spray tanning to my repertoire. So that's great for all of my brides that are upcoming weddings, my seniors, are there problems just anyone looking for a little color, whatever, before they go on vacation. And then if that wasn't enough, I'm also a licensed aesthetician, so I am pretty much like a skincare guru.
Jacob Miller
Awesome. Yeah. I mean, as a photographer, it's been awesome to just like collaborate with you and just learn about, like what you're doing and kind of what your goals are. As you kind of see changes in the industry or changes in like things that you want to pursue so it's been just cool to learn about all the things you're doing so awesome. So like before we kind of jump into like how that journey for you started. I just kind of want to talk about you know, what's your personal life like family, friends, hobbies, just kind of go into that.
Dana Goltz
Yes. Well, I feel like a lot of my personal life is also my professional life because even if I'm not working and doing makeup, I'm usually doing like a creative shoot with somebody. So I guess my life really revolves around work, but when it doesn't, I just like to chill. I like to be outside. Hi cliff is a favorite location of mine just to wander around. And if I'm not being adventurous, then I simply just like to plop down and watch a good movie or a good show.
Jacob Miller
Yeah. What do you been watching lately?
Dana Goltz
I just started Ozarks I've been trying for good. Yeah. Ozarks is great.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's like, when I started watching it, it was like, breaking bad. But like, instead of the slow build up, it kind of just like jumps into stuff pretty quickly. But it's such a different like thing, though. But yeah, awesome, awesome show. Definitely recommend it to people. Cool.
Dana Goltz
It's funny prior to that, I was watching the show. Good girls, and I'm like, What is this the theme of money laundering?
Jacob Miller
Yeah, dang. Um, and then on the other side, too, besides from like, you know, media, or film like what kind of music Have you been listening to lately? I mean, new like music or maybe you're going back to old music used to listen to just kind of curious.
Dana Goltz
Yeah, um, it's funny because since I had to redownload, Spotify. Find like a whole new account. I've just pretty simple I mean, my my main go to is some type of like rapper hip hop, but I really really, really like I don't even know what you would call it, but essentially it's just like music without words. electrical stuff. Yeah, yeah, and all variations of like onra but just having some music on in the background not necessarily having the words just goes with any occasion and I'm cleaning if I'm working it just something, something to flow into.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, I'm the same. It's like, if I'm working. If I have words happening, like in the songs or in the music, it's hard for me to concentrate because I just want to focus on the words so more like, like instrumental beats and stuff definitely helped me like getting more of a flow doesn't understand that. One of the random Question for jump in. I always think it's kind of a funny, interesting thing. So if you weren't doing what you do right now and money like was no issue, what would you see yourself doing for your life instead?
Dana Goltz
Definitely traveling. I can't say like, Oh, I would be looking for the cure for cancer because that's a lie. I would be on a beach somewhere.
Jacob Miller
Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I always tell myself like, if I wasn't doing this, I'd like go into carpentry. I just I've always, like, enjoyed doing that. And like, the idea of like building things custom for custom sizes and stuff. I've done that before, like coffee tables and all that kind of stuff. And I've carved spoons. So it's just like, the idea of like doing that all the time. Like just sounds like work with my hands versus the digital stuff.
Dana Goltz
Well, it's nice to have that as a hobby and something that it doesn't feel like work.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Dana Goltz
Yeah, no, no, I feel like a lazy bum after my Well, this is sit on the beach. Um, you know, if if I just could work to work, um, I would either want to do something in like psychology and counseling. Or I would like to be in some type of like, science like a chemist or something, even though I don't think I'm good at chemistry. I just like the sun. Yeah.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, like when you were in school, like what, like, or even when you were a kid, like, did you kind of think you'd be something else? I'm just kind of curious.
Dana Goltz
Yeah. Do you want what I always like told people I was going to be a navy seal.
Jacob Miller
Why do you have like people in a family that were in the military?
Dana Goltz
I mean, I have a lot of family and like the police force and whatnot, but I don't know. There's just something about. I don't know being a Navy SEAL or I thought I was going to be a forensic scientist. So the fact that like, my reality is so like, beautiful and glamorous. Hilarious.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, that's I'm trying to like picture you doing that. I mean, I can picture it actually in a weird way. But it's just like a weird thought right now, just because what you do now? Yeah, um, cool. Well, let's go. Let's go into the next phase. So like, I like to call this the section after the introduction back to the beginning. So going back to kind of like that first, maybe a few months or even that first year of when you're like, hey, I want to do this for a living, and making kind of making that that commitment to yourself to become a makeup professional makeup artist. And so I kind of just talk about the beginning, like, how long ago was it? What was going on in your life? What was going on in your head? You know, why did you Why did you want to do that?
Dana Goltz
Yeah. Um, so it was the summer of my junior year in college. And now I can't really For the year off the top of my head, but I had switched my major twice and was still like, I really don't know what I want to do. I'm doing everybody's makeup for we go out and it's something that I was really starting to find a passion in doing. And when I looked into a little bit more like is this something that I could do as an actual career. And so I found a school by my house, I'm from the suburbs of Chicago, so it was right there. And I was able to take my makeup schooling during the summer. And once I got my certification in that, then I just kind of hit the ground running. I worked at a hair salon a little bit during college, so I was able to start getting some practice there on people
and
just kind of from there kept growing
my train of thought,
Jacob Miller
No, it's all good. Hmm. One thing I like to try to ask is, you know, was there like a specific moment like when you said you were in college and you had switched, you know, your kind of your, your major? Was there like a specific moment or like, kind of thing that happened an event that was like that kind of like clicked in your head that maybe someone was talking to you? And they're like, you should try that. Or was it kind of dislike over time? You're just like, I think, you know, it just feels like this is the direction I should go or was there like a specific moment that made you pivot?
Dana Goltz
No, I think it just was, it was always there. And then the more that I started to read into education and talking with some of the people that I worked with at the salon, kind of gave me that confidence to explore the options.
Jacob Miller
Was there like when you decided to kind of move forward was there like a specific person that kind of like extended their hand to you and said, Hey, you should go in this direction. You should go here, you should do this, or was it kind of just like, you just kind of started like, did you research online? Did you kind of like just start asking people like, what was that process? like for you?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, there wasn't anybody in particular that like, guided me, it was more so just looking up schools that weren't hair schools, but specifically for makeup. And then going from there.
Jacob Miller
Gotcha. Okay. Um, when that whole kind of like thing was happening, you know, what were you? What was kind of like going through your head? Like, were you afraid of anything? like really? Like, what if this doesn't work? Or was it like, you know, what if, what if I can't find a job or like is Was there anything kind of run through your head? Or would my parents think because obviously, you were like switching career paths or something like, was there any of that going through your head at that time?
Dana Goltz
Not at that time, because I was still going to college and still, my bachelor's degree. So it's like, I knew that I had That to always fall back on. But in the heat of the moment, I was just super excited to get started in, in doing makeup.
Jacob Miller
Yeah. Cool. Was there like anything like as that journey was was happening and you started kind of, you know, working at the salon and doing more things within makeup was there things that helped you kind of like keep you motivated like, Oh wow, I know how to do this now. Like kind of gave you the extra like energy like throw it throw it away.
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I have to say
there was this woman that I did make up for for her wedding. And I mean, I was so green. She was my very first bride ever. I you know, I kind of didn't really even know what I was doing at that time looking back. I just was like, Yeah, I can do your makeup for your wedding. And this woman, like even if I didn't have the skill set, I had the people skills to make her feel like a queen. And when she looked at herself after I finished her makeup I'll never forget the look on her face like she was brought to tears. And he just couldn't stop expressing like how much she felt like the queen of her day and felt beautiful for the first time. And you know, looking back I'm sure that that makeup wasn't that great, but the fact that I was able to make a person feel that type of way about themselves. That's kind of what motivated me to want to continue down that path. It wasn't necessarily the the aesthetic of it's going to be glamorous and beautiful is more so how is this going to make this person feel?
Jacob Miller
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I think you know, obviously technically your job as a makeup artist. You know, or a skincare professional but like when you when you can make someone Feel That Way like some maybe someone that doesn't really know how to how to apply makeup properly or just never really thinks about it. And then when they finally can, like see themselves in a different in a different light almost like for the first time or maybe I don't Yeah, whatever that experience may be and I think to half of like you were saying I think you communicating to them it's not just you applying makeup that's helping them see themselves differently but you're you're like telling them like a story about themselves and that you know, that is true. Like you're not it's not that you're lying to them. It's like no like you are like you're legitimately a beautiful human being. And I'm so excited for you and for this day that you have ahead of you. And I think that's super cool. So like talk about like, Did that naturally come for you like as you started applying makeup or was it like this thing that you started kind of like seeing other people do or was it just like was there a moment that like, I feel like I need to like coach people to understand like that they are beautiful and that they're that they should like appreciate their body? You know, that kind of stuff?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I think It's always come natural and like what keeps like screaming in my head is helping people to stand in their own power. Like, yeah, um, and it was, yeah, definitely something that came natural to me is just sparking that conversation, getting people to talk and open up. And you know, person sitting in your, your chair is kind of vulnerable, they come to you, in public, no makeup on bare face and here they are sitting before your person they've never met, trusting you to make them feel and look beautiful. Um, but I think that's kind of just a gift that I have is talking to people and helping people, you know, into that comfort zone and the makeup just kind of plays with that.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, I mean, it kind of makes sense why you said before like I could see myself doing psychology or something. Like, you know, that that human therapy aspect, I think it does go hand in hand. I mean, you you, you know, helping people see them for who they actually are and like appreciating themselves. So yeah, absolutely, that that power thing that's like, it's actually I like that freezing.
Dana Goltz
Stand in your own.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, we did you did you kind of come up with that, or was that something that you kind of heard somewhere and you felt like, Oh, this is I this is me. This is totally what I believe in.
Dana Goltz
I'm sure it's something that I've heard through meditations or different things that I've listened to. And obviously, it's just hold on.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, yeah, it is what it's powerful. Like, just because it's the word power. It just feels good. Like when I hear it's like, Wow, that's cool. Yeah. Um, yeah. So the one thing I want to step into next, he didn't really say there were like, really any mentors in the beginning. But, you know, as as you kind of progressed, you know, over time, you know, were there any mentors of the craft specifically they were helping you learn new things. Or maybe there were people that were like in the same kind of like stages you like, you know, laterally. Like there's the same kind of, they're learning things but they're willing different things and you know, vice versa with you. Were there people that kind of helped mentor you, to help you get better at what you do and how you do it.
Dana Goltz
Well, my sister and my mom were the first people that like, exposed me to makeup and yeah, my older sister, she would do my makeup for fun. She did my makeup for dances. So I definitely learned a lot from her. But really where I started to get my background knowledge in makeup and even experience before I could actually wear makeup, was just reading or their magazines, reading, Cosmo, reading, elle, glamour, any of those beauty magazines has different tips and stuff. So I picked up a lot of what I initially learned from 3d magazines and then I I know it's probably horrible to say but I didn't really have that many like influential people to physically in person guide me along with makeup it was just a lot of reading, researching looking at pictures and just learning as I went
Jacob Miller
Yeah, are there any like people like you whether whether it was through books or magazines or maybe online? Were there certain people that you kind of like looked up to passively as a mentor? Like they didn't know you? They don't know you exist, but you kind of like leaned on them. And like always appreciated like the things that they shared. Maybe they had a blog or something.
Dana Goltz
Yeah. Bobby Brown. She is very well known in the makeup industry. She's been around a long time. And actually one of the first pieces of like makeup literature I ever had is a book from her. And I can relate to her a lot because she goes for the classic style. She's not a huge, trendy makeup artist she's like that tried and true. This is going to be just as pertinent in 1950 as it is in 2020. So I'd say Bobby Brown was a very big influence.
Jacob Miller
Cool. Yeah. Were there any like books? Remember you said you've been you just recently took a course? That course online through masterclass. Are there any books or courses that you found like super helpful?
Dana Goltz
Yes, I'm currently reading there's three books right now and two are by Scott Barnes. He is actually Jennifer Lopez's makeup artist, and I've been watching some of his tutorials and reading his books and it is just Amazing because he actually got his start in more of an actual Fine Arts. And then from there took it to phases and that's just how he was able to translate what he was feeling or you know what he saw it What did he say like seeing somebody as the best version of themselves? So I definitely say take a page out of his book.
Jacob Miller
Cool. And what was that master class that you took?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, the master class was actually with Bobby Brown. So it was probably 15 episode or lessons I should say. Just kind of her whole take on makeup, the makeup industry and it was pretty helpful. Cool.
Jacob Miller
Yeah. You know, if you were like if someone were to ask you next day, they We're getting started with with becoming a makeup artist. What were what would be like some resources that you would recommend to people that are interested in getting started?
Dana Goltz
I would say Hmm.
elaborate on what you see as resources like, people or websites.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, it could be. Let's just do websites, so on. So say someone lives, you know, they don't have a lot of like, mentors or opportunities where they live and they want to start doing this stuff though. Like, you know, where would they go online to get like, what are resources you trust online? Because there's obviously a lot out there. But what are some that you trust? That would be a great for like getting started to like, kind of take that first step?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, for me, especially in a day and age of YouTube, and there's influencers everywhere and people doing tutorials everywhere. I have to really like sift through the ones that are just not helpful to say the least. So I definitely try to look for celebrity makeup artists or people's pictures that resemble something that I would like to recreate or something that I would like to wear personally. Because makeup is definitely a personal preference thing. I mean, I always say there's really no right or wrong. There's just personal preference. But utilizing Instagram and YouTube and all the tutorials that are available, even just going on to makeup brand websites and reading through their product line and ingredients and maybe they have tips and tricks and videos. There's so much content out there. It's just a matter of sorting through The crap and finding what is good and what will be your little building block foundation?
Jacob Miller
Got it? Yeah, I mean, I think that's true with just everything now like whether it's photography or video production or drawing or whatever, there's so many like tutorials out there, it's hard to know where to start. In my experience, I have always found that like, a legitimate laid out course that's like, starts with basics and goes to more advanced, I think has always been more helpful to me than like, sporadic things I find on YouTube because I feel like I spend way more time on YouTube trying to find what I want. And then it doesn't really teach me anything. It just shows me how to do what they did specifically, it doesn't actually teach me like practical knowledge to be able to apply it to like a unique scenario. Yeah. So yeah, I definitely understand like where the where they coming from so so like Now you know, you're you're at where you are now. You're you're kind of doing the makeup artist stuff you're doing this the skincare, specifically what I've been seeing you do more of that. But what's kind of like, you know, what's the kind of the future look like, you know, the next couple years like what? What do you see yourself doing? Is it the same thing just keep getting better? Are there things that you're kind of like thinking about pursuing as well?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I think where I'm at is a really good place I have that balance of makeup and I have the balance of skincare, I find that it's just gonna be what do I want to do more and pursuing those different opportunities? I mean, I definitely would love to go back to doing makeup full time, but there's just not a lot of work in this area in this industry to to be able to have that, you know, feasible. So what I would like to do for myself is Be able to travel a little bit more whether that's Milwaukee, Chicago, I'm just searching for the opportunities and the type of makeup that I really want to be doing and showcasing in my portfolio.
Jacob Miller
Yeah. Cool. And then and then for you like because obviously you and I have collaborated on like photo shoots and stuff, like what do you what do you enjoy the most about, like the doing the photo shoots? Like, what? Why do you Why do you have that drive to kind of keep doing them? Where's that come from?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I think it's just the whole experience. And like, you know, speaking from the times that we've worked together, we've just had such a good group of people that we can all come up with a concept together or maybe one person's leading in this area, but then we can give our feedback. I think it's just that like, team effort and collaboration where everybody's got a little something to bring to the table and then When the whole process of doing everything is fun, you know, then the end result just looks beautiful. And we have something that we can look back at. And it's not just the photo, but it's the memories of how we got to that point.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I agree. It's like for me, I know my strengths and my weaknesses. And that's why I love like being able to lean into people that have those strengths that I don't have, and just so we can make cool stuff. And yeah, I think too, I think like you said, like, it just there's something about finding the right people to collaborate with, because it's just like those friendships and those like conversations and yeah, just really good moments. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. If there was one thing, you know, like going back to the beginning, if you were starting your path over, over again, say, say you're 18 years old again, or 22 years old again, and you're Gonna start this all over, you've never done this before, you know, what would you do differently to help you kind of get started?
Dana Goltz
Well, if we're speaking, here's here's where I like to make things complicated. Talking of going back in time and being 18 again and redoing all of this, um I don't know what I would do differently maybe just try to locate more makeup artists in the area and whatnot. But being that this was like way before the whole world of social media. I feel like it was a little bit more challenging to to find those resources where if I were to go back and it's like present day, I think I would probably Excel quicker because I would have that social media presence. You know, instantly I mean, I think of this one makeup artist that I just recently flew out to Utah and I did a class with her and she, I mean, she's unbelievable. She's 21 she's got, you know, 25,000 followers. She's got a great social media presence. She's got YouTube videos, but she's been doing this stuff, since she was like 18 or 19. And like, grew up with social media and stuff. So she kind of had a leg up on it, which is something I both like, envy and admire.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, well, I think there's definitely like a power in the idea of having people a network of people that you connect with and grow with. And then obviously, that the internet access through in social media access because I think there definitely are times where relationships like over Like social media, I think there's a lot of businesses and freelancers that like completely function without social media? And so I think yeah, I think whether or not it was, you know, years ago or today, I think that both of those things are valuable. So yeah. And do you think like for you, like, what's your kind of method of like making establishing connections, like through through social media, like kind of, do you just reach out? Like, how does that, you know, Has that happened? Are people reaching out to you? Or is it kind of like a two way street? Like, I guess what are what is the formal process for you that makes you feel more comfortable about it?
Dana Goltz
Yeah. I mean, I get a lot of people that reach out to me via social media, my website, but I always like to have that first opportunity to chat over the phone. I think. Being able to establish a little bit more of the human connection helps to both like Get to know, this potential client and this client to better understand me and like my philosophy on makeup. Mm hmm. So I really do value like, the human connection when it comes to getting in touch with people. For like, projects that I want to work on just for fun, usually I will like look on social media and find models or people that I know I've worked with in the past and just try to come up with some ideas with them.
Jacob Miller
Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I think, even for me, like if I'm looking to collaborate with people, for whatever kind of projects always like, I'll reach out to them. Or if they reach out to me and say, Hey, I'd love to do something with you. I'm always like, yeah, it'd be great. Like, let's just get coffee first, though. Like, I just want to get to know you better. I want to know, like, how can you know how can we kind of create a friendship before we just kind of like, work together and create stuff Because I've definitely had experiences where I've created things with people and I've overextended myself. And then it wasn't a friendship by any means. It was like they just I felt like I was taken advantage of a little bit. Sure. Like they wouldn't. They wouldn't like, think me or, you know, tag me or anything, they would just be like, I mean, have you bands have even done that to me back in the day? Like I'd do photos for bands, or they would steal a photo off my website or off my Instagram feed? Oh, yeah, like so I think yeah, I think that whole experience established a stronger like process for me to like create a friendship and a relationship with people. I think that's true. Like even for like whether it's a customer or client I think that's even more important because, you know, sometimes as you grow as a professional, like your prices get higher and you want to make sure you're working with the right you're spending your time and energy with the right people and that they're willing to value and pay for like your services and what you what you offer them. And I think for you, obviously it's not just like you're not just a makeup artist. You're a person that makes them feel a certain way. So that goes into your philosophy and stuff. So yeah. So how can people find out about you online? Like where can they go? What kind of social channels are you on? All that kind of stuff?
Dana Goltz
Yes. Well I do have a website it is dm makeup.com. So there I have a link to my Instagram actually have some of my Instagram feed on there. That a lot of just my portfolio work weddings, I've done production jobs that I've done. And then Instagram is a huge outlet for me to put all my work. It's how I stay connected with a lot of people, different stories and whatever. Pretty much shows do I do have a Facebook and that is Dana Michelle makeup. But to be honest, I slept With that, I just kind of have it linked up to my Instagram. So whatever you're seeing on Instagram is going to be on Facebook. So yeah, website, dm makeup calm and Instagram. My handle is Dana Michelle with one L. Dana Michelle underscore makeup.
Jacob Miller
Awesome. Cool. And I'll have that in the awesome show notes for the episode too. But if you're just listening, hop on your phone and type in all the things awesome. Yeah, is Is there anything else you want to share? Like, you know, with anyone that's listening that maybe maybe they're they've already started their journey with makeup and skincare, or, or they're thinking about getting started, you know, what would you Is there something you'd like to share with them?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I would say don't give up. You know, keep working. Definitely work on other people's faces. If, if you're just doing makeup on yourself, you're going to be a great makeup artist on yourself. Getting other people's faces in front of you different skin types, different skin colors, all of that will really help you to get a good range in working on any and all. People don't stop educating there's always something to learn even if you've been doing it for 10 plus years, there's always a new technique a new product and just being open to to what's out there and change and revolutionising your process.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, cool. I know you kind of talked about how you know obviously with makeup it's a very personal thing like, like what people like in the styles and stuff. But maybe for you know, people that are getting started or like where do you like to go to get your supplies? I'm kind of curious like, you know, maybe get started just go to a general department store like target it just to get started or would you recommend to go somewhere else or you know, maybe as you progress like what Where do you get your stuff? And what would you suggest for people?
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I think I think either or my favorite places to get products are Sephora Ulta from that makeup brand itself, but if you are just getting started out, you're balling on a budget. I mean use the drugstore stuff, it's a lot of the water. What people don't know is that the manufacturers for L'Oreal are also the manufacturers for some of these high end big name products. So, you know, you just gotta take the tools that you have and learn how to use them because once you know the technique and you have that down, then you can take any product that's in front of you and apply that knowledge and use that product.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, for sure. I think that's like with paint even like you go to like You can go like to the gas station and get a paint set and if you know how to like mix colors and how to paint with a brush it doesn't really matter what kind of paint you're using
Dana Goltz
yeah go get some rose art crayons that you can yeah
Jacob Miller
Yeah, yeah there's people that make crazy stuff with just with just a pencil or just with crayons It's crazy.
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I mean, I've watched a YouTube tutorial of this girl that was in prison and here's how she made her blush in her lipstick with crushed up flaming hot Cheetos. I mean, whoa, yeah. Just about
Jacob Miller
with that like burn your skin though. I don't know.
Dana Goltz
But if you're in the waist or you're worried you're just like I need to look fly with my my flaming hot lips that are actually getting hot.
Jacob Miller
Not to get literal, but that's crazy. I didn't know that was a thing. That's awesome. Yeah. Not I'm I'm not putting those on my lips. But you know I'm crazy.
Dana Goltz
Yeah, I mean even any other creating pigments there's this one brand that I use and I get all these like lip and cheek pigments and one of them is from a sweet potato one is from elderberry. I mean everything that we have now like it came from nature so
Jacob Miller
yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's crazy. What other weird like besides flaming hot Cheetos. What other weird things have you seen on the internet like of people making creating makeup product from oh geez.
Dana Goltz
Um,
Jacob Miller
I'm just like, super curious. Like, there's so many
Dana Goltz
cocoa powder as like contour. And I actually just saw something the other day that women in the 20s they would put Tea they would sleep tea bags and then they would use the water the tea essentially, and tan themselves so like when their legs were white and pasty they would self tan with tea bags.
Jacob Miller
hmm yeah, the deli with the caffeine if there's it depends on the type of tea. But with the caffeine like soak into your skin that way, I'm just kind of curious. I'm
Dana Goltz
sure what and then yeah, run around all crazy.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, it's like a weird they didn't realize they were like getting drugged. Yeah, they're all just like, basically. Yeah, that's crazy. It's like a weird nicotine patch. But with tea.
Dana Goltz
Yeah. My patch on today. My t tan on
Jacob Miller
T tan. Next Next product coming out. Oh, cool. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. I don't I don't really have any more questions. I'm sure I could. I could ask a million more questions but Thanks for sharing your story sharing like the fun random facts with the flaming hot cheetos in the in the tea. I think that's super cool. And thanks for like kind of sharing your insights on, like just getting started and where people can go and to learn and to get supplies and stuff. I think that's super cool. You know, is there is there anything else you want to share with people? Any final last words? Oh my
Dana Goltz
word. Well, if you have any questions or whatnot, I'm an open book. You are always welcome to contact me directly and we can chat. But also Thank you, Jacob, for having me. This was so much fun.
Jacob Miller
Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. It's like, I don't know why I waited so long to do this. Like all I do is put it in the calendar and be like, let's do this thing. So
Dana Goltz
no, you did at the perfect time. divine timing.
Jacob Miller
For sure. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks, Dana.
Dana Goltz
Thank you.
Jacob Miller
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